Podcast 125
by Shanti Gilbert and Jackalyn Rainosek, PhD
In this powerful conversation, Shanti Gilbert and Jackalyn Rainosek, PhD, friends and colleagues for 50 years explore the urgent need to find an internal foundation amidst the relentless chaos of our world. As the influence of figures grow that feed this chaos and pain it allows instability to fester, we find ourselves in a state of near-constant turmoil. The question is: How do we stay centered when external forces pull us apart?
Drawing on their extensive backgrounds, Shanti’s expertise in social work, Native American teachings, and values-based education and Jackalyn’s experience in executive coaching and organizational development—they provide listeners with tools to return to their foundation, no matter how turbulent the external world becomes.
Key themes of the discussion include:
∙Building a Safe and Supportive Community – Finding people who truly see, hear, and honor us is crucial in chaotic times. A strong community fosters resilience and reminds us that we are not alone.
∙Clearing and Creating Sacred Spaces – Engaging in practices like clearing how we feel with our physical, emotional, mental, and spirit and setting up altars that ground us and can help refocus the mind and provide a tangible reminder of our inner strength.
∙The Power of Equanimity As Sharon Salzberg writes:
“Equanimity is what frees us from these dynamics; we can learn to be present with emotions without falling into the extremes of overwhelm and denial.”
By embracing equanimity, we can acknowledge powerful emotions like anger without being consumed by them. We retain the ability to choose how we respond to our circumstances rather than reacting impulsively.
∙The Role of Values and Purpose – Our values and life purpose act as anchors, grounding us when the world feels uncertain. By staying connected to what truly matters, we cultivate inner stability.
The conversation concludes with powerful reminders for daily life:
✔ Commit to alleviating suffering, both your own and that of others, including those with whom you disagree.
✔ Adopt a wider perspective when feeling overwhelmed or powerless.
✔ Choose optimism as a guiding force, even in dark times.
✔ Acknowledge past successes, no matter how small—they are proof of your resilience.
✔ Never lose faith in humanity, despite the turmoil we witness.
Ultimately, this discussion is a call to action: when the external world feels unsteady, we must cultivate a place of steadiness within ourselves. Through intentional practices, community, and a deep commitment to our values, we can return to our foundation again and again—no matter what chaos unfolds around us.
Podcast 125 References:
- “How to Stay Calm in the Midst of Chaos” – Sharon Salzberg on the power of equanimity, January 17, 2023.
🔗 https://www.lionsroar.com/how-to-stay-calm-in-the-midst-of-chaos/ - “Where the Dalai Lama’s Reincarnation Will (and Won’t) Be Found” – Matteo Pistono, a description of the Dalai Lama’s book Voice for the Voiceless.
🔗 https://www.lionsroar.com/where-the-dalai-lamas-reincarnation-will-and-wont-be-found/ - Whispers of Lord Ganesha Card Set
🔗 https://www.blueangelonline.com/ - Angels and Ancestors Oracle Cards – Hay House Publishing (Available on Amazon).